that is easy for them to say. it is tougher for the press whose job it is to cover him at the white house. so again, i can understand their frustration. the governors on the other hand, i'm surprised somebody didn't say, a republican governor frankly, didn't say, wait a minute, why don't we leave the press in here. martha: that was part of speculation, he thought he might be upbraided perhaps by, some republican governor in the room who might want to talk about the pressures of obamacare and that was precisely what he did not want to be recorded, mary katherine. >> that would be sensible i think. again this gets back to the question -- go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i was going to say he is actually pretty good parrying questions. so go ahead take the questions and have the back and forth. it is fun for the public to see and helps you get an idea what he is thinking. >> it is part of the process. that is what the reason there is a press corps in the first place, to ask a question, not to allow the social media arm of the white house to put out. you have to be subject to questions. this is democracy, bob.